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Posted by Dean on February 06, 2001 at 21:16:42:

In Reply to: Opinion posted by JustMe on February 06, 2001 at 16:05:37:

: It is possible for guys to have a very strong fixation with the female foot and not fall into the category of “Men Behaving Badly”. They can in fact make great partners. But in my opinion, you wouldn’t know it by coming to this message board.
: There are guys who can administer a delightful and totally sensual foot massage but yet they have never snuck up on a complete stranger in a library and stole her shoe or touched her foot without asking. There are guys who so enjoy it when a woman removes her shoe and rubs her shoeless foot on their leg that they don’t reciprocate by sabotaging her shoes. There are even guys who rather than refusing to easily remove a shoe from a file cabinet, will place a note in a woman’s shoe saying how much they appreciate that woman and invite her to kick off the shoe over lunch. But by the posts that are entered here it is very difficult to that know such guys are among you.
: Maybe guys who have partners don’t visit. Maybe guys who visit here don’t want partners. Guess we’ll never know for sure.
: Regardless, the absence of pleasant messages showing partners enjoying an interest together all but eliminates the need for female input. A female contributor runs the risk of looking as though she is endorsing the caveman romanceless attitude that prevails here. It might be a start if some of the men voiced concern with posts that suggest a women’s foot reaches its zenith of sexual allure when it is attached to a thoroughly embarrassed woman.
: It is certainly possible that I have missed the point entirely. This board may be intended totally for the prurient interest of men. And, if so, the goal is being met and my message is not applicable.

You and your message are welcome. I will spend about 10 minutes on this in hopes that you return to read it but also to "set the record straight" for others. This does broaden the scope a bit so at some point you will find that I am not speaking specifically of shoes. Please read all the way through before agreeing or disagreeing.

First off, "behaving badly" as you put is very subjective. What is bad? One woman that shares this "fetish" (again what is a fetish? very subjective) may be pleased and even turned on by a man looking at her in public. She may even proceed to put on a show because she knows there is an audience. This has happened to me COUNTLESS times. There have been many cases of this posted as well. Yet another may be completely offended. Another still may be embarrassed. It all depends upon the people involved. I mean John Ascroft believes that dancing is a sin. He doesn't dance, smoke or drink. So should all those that have a drink and dance be prosecuted? In other words, you can never know how the woman playing with her shoes in public takes the topic. Remember though it is IN PUBLIC meaning that she should know that what she is doing is visible to others and EVEN CHILDREN..... hint hint to all censors out there.... To further prove my point, I have women calling me all the time to go shoe shopping, to give my opinion etc. We get along great. And what about the posts below of the three women in England that find this enjoyable and kick each others' shoes off ? Is all that prurient? It is evident the women that posted the messages know this "interest" exists. It is obvious, to the women that call me to go shoe shopping, that I enjoy it. So are they engaging in prurient activity?

Now, I never have and never will support stealing womens' shoes. While I can understand the motive behind the action it isn't proper and HAS NEVER been encouraged here. Scanning through past messages you will find that I have STRONGLY discouraged people from bugging the ladies. Some of those people emailed me an told me that I thought so because I wanted to sell more tapes. I sent them to hell and that was that but I am damned if I do and damned if I don't. I mention this because I firmly believe it, not because I sense the need to defend myself or this site. We will see many things we don't like
or fully understand. It is up to us to make a judgement on how to act.

Boys take shoes from girls and play "keep away" all the time... well they did at least when I was in school. What THE HELL they are doing in those "institutions" today I will never know. In any case, is that "prurient" behavior? The men that have the thought of taking or moving her shoes are doing so with the SOLE purpose of making her feel vulnerable. They are not thinking this in order to HARM her or to hurt her financially by taking her possessions. Again, I said I understood why they would think that, I didn't say it is right to steal a womans shoes. And as a final point, I think I am speaking for MOST that visit this site but definitely not ALL. There may be some malicious people that just wanna steal and resell the shoes etc etc.... Who knows what's out there?

As for embarassment of women, geniuses (not you original poster) out there must realize a few basic things. First of all it is not embarrassment. It is vulnerability. Embarrassment may result from the vulnerability. Evolution cannot be changed within 20-30-40 or even 50 years. It takes time. It is a man's instinct to be protective of women. In the past, physical strength was far more important for survival and men always sought to protect women when we lived in "the cave" Heels are restrictive as are tight skirts but again there is a reason for the appearance of those styles. They convey a message and play to males' natural instinct to help and protect a woman.

Women have always done things to attract men. Hair styles, diets, more recently breast enlargement and of course they use makeup. Why do women wear lipstick? 70% of women I have asked have no clue but they wear it anyway. Lipstick is worn because it makes womens' lips appear fuller, thicker and ,until recently (so many colors out there now), RED.
These are all qualities that occur when a women is having sex. In other words, lipstick attempts to subconsciously tell males that the woman is fertile, sexually active, sensual etc etc.. Thats is what it is there for. So is that prurient? Does that belittle women? I sure as heck find well-dressed, well-groomed women (yes WITH makeup) more attractive.

Should we address the UNNECESSARY loud noise that heels make? Heels could be made to be as quiet as sneakers. Are they? NO. Why? Well, because just like lipstick they play a part in "advertising" a woman's presence. Is that prurient? Should we seek to curtail the designers' freedoms?

As for shoe play, the woman KNOWS FULL WELL that her chances of losing her shoe are increased 20x if she removes her feet from them. She may dangle under a table and hit another person's foot. Should that person be called a CAVE MAN if he finds that exciting? On the other hand is she engaging in PRURIENT behavior by doing it? She may know about the attraction some men have and may be testing him out to see if they are compatible. Are women breaking the law by doing this in FRONT OF their children all the time? Should all women that do this be therefore arrested? Should the shopping channels that occassionally show this be closed down? Are they prurient too? After all, I think I got this fetish because my neighbors daughters. They are about 15 years older than I so they were well over 18 when they asked me if I liked watching their swaying legs and dangling clogs. I couldn't explain it but I liked it and they kept on doing it year after year till I was embarrassed to even look when my age progressed. Was that prurient?

Has anyone seen video of how women lined up when nylons first became available? It was a STAMPEDE not a line!! Was that prurient?

Humans are very stupid creatures. We have a reason on this planet. We are here as men and women to attract each other and procreate. There is NOTHING on this planet that can change that. We are here to work as a unit accepting each other's weaknesses and strengths. That is why men and women have been created different. We compliment each other. When men and women hug they both get a sense of warmth, security and happiness. Why is so much possible from a simple hug? We are complimenting each other and working together. When I see a woman dangle I am attracted to her knowing that
this is something women do and NOT men. I am attracted to her shapely thigh and arched foot. I am attracted to her nail polish and her hose. I am attracted to the complimented sensual curves of her shoe etc
Again, all things that MEN don't have. So just as a woman might be turned on when a man uses his strength to do something for a woman, the man feels useful for being able to accomodate her. That is why we once had ladies and gentlemen. That is also why, with the elimination of traditions and/or attempt to make changes so quickly, we no longer do. This is why divorce rates are so high and this is why we cannot get along anymore. We are confused. We have our instincts tell us one thing and our lives demanding another.

So in a sense we are all cave men and women even in 2001. Unfortunately we have the "few cultural elite" trying to tell us how to lead our lives, what to like and what not to like. They think they can change humanity with a TV show and a few goofy magazines spewing garbage all day. Well they have succeeded to a degree. But they will show us anything that makes money. So if people are watching and
forming their lives around this stuff maybe it is people that have failed and not TV that has succeeded. I grew up with Atari and then all the other more violent games that followed. I have never hurt a fly and nor do I intend to. Violence sucks. Do I play those games? Damn straight I do and I wanna pound my electronic opponent's skull to the ground. I don't harm people though.

So, to the women that do shoe play, hats off to you ladies YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL. To the men, let the ladies be, don't bug 'em and hopefully everyone will see how much better things are when men can be men and women can be women. It is this that I try to capture in my work.

Specifically to the original poster of this message "Justme", nobody should harm you for being yourself. I think that many will welcome you and encourage your thoughts. I really liked
and understood the sensitivity when you said "will place a note in a woman’s shoe saying how much they appreciate that woman." I carried a note like that in my wallet for about a year but never used it unfortunately. In some cases nowadays though, a man might be sued for that.
This is what we have stooped to as a race. We can't even openly and genuinely express oursleves. And again it all comes back to my first paragraph concerning who is involved.
One lady may find the move sweet and the other...........

What you have witnessed on the board is only a tiny perecentage of the total number of people that visit and those people may mean well. After all, many of them are speaking about scenes in movies. Movies that virtually anyone can see. I remember seeing a Popeye cartoon, where Olive was on the phone dangling like crazy. I hope my message may have given some insight as to why some find that attractive while making clear that shoe theft is an ENTIRELY different topic. You should also see some of the garbage I get rid of every day. You should know the problem I have trying to promote my site
because I want little to do with PORN sites. It is all part of the game I guess.......that's the way the dangling heels sways...... :-)

Relax, try a dangle or two and if you lose one so what? You made the man watching happy, you can flex and relax your foot and that's it... an innocent flirtacious moment.
JustMe (and partner...it appears you may have one) welcome to a web site whose owner and hundreds of thousands of visitors are true FANS of women and something long lost: Femininity.

So, if you read all the way down here thanks. It means the commercials that have 9 zillion different scenes per second haven't shortened your attention span yet.

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: : It is possible for guys to have a very strong fixation with the female foot and not fall into the category of “Men Behaving Badly”. They can in fact make great partners. But in my opinion, you wouldn’t know it by coming to this message board. : : There are guys who can administer a delightful and totally sensual foot massage but yet they have never snuck up on a complete stranger in a library and stole her shoe or touched her foot without asking. There are guys who so enjoy it when a woman removes her shoe and rubs her shoeless foot on their leg that they don’t reciprocate by sabotaging her shoes. There are even guys who rather than refusing to easily remove a shoe from a file cabinet, will place a note in a woman’s shoe saying how much they appreciate that woman and invite her to kick off the shoe over lunch. But by the posts that are entered here it is very difficult to that know such guys are among you. : : Maybe guys who have partners don’t visit. Maybe guys who visit here don’t want partners. Guess we’ll never know for sure. : : Regardless, the absence of pleasant messages showing partners enjoying an interest together all but eliminates the need for female input. A female contributor runs the risk of looking as though she is endorsing the caveman romanceless attitude that prevails here. It might be a start if some of the men voiced concern with posts that suggest a women’s foot reaches its zenith of sexual allure when it is attached to a thoroughly embarrassed woman. : : It is certainly possible that I have missed the point entirely. This board may be intended totally for the prurient interest of men. And, if so, the goal is being met and my message is not applicable. : You and your message are welcome. I will spend about 10 minutes on this in hopes that you return to read it but also to "set the record straight" for others. This does broaden the scope a bit so at some point you will find that I am not speaking specifically of shoes. Please read all the way through before agreeing or disagreeing. : First off, "behaving badly" as you put is very subjective. What is bad? One woman that shares this "fetish" (again what is a fetish? very subjective) may be pleased and even turned on by a man looking at her in public. She may even proceed to put on a show because she knows there is an audience. This has happened to me COUNTLESS times. There have been many cases of this posted as well. Yet another may be completely offended. Another still may be embarrassed. It all depends upon the people involved. I mean John Ascroft believes that dancing is a sin. He doesn't dance, smoke or drink. So should all those that have a drink and dance be prosecuted? In other words, you can never know how the woman playing with her shoes in public takes the topic. Remember though it is IN PUBLIC meaning that she should know that what she is doing is visible to others and EVEN CHILDREN..... hint hint to all censors out there.... To further prove my point, I have women calling me all the time to go shoe shopping, to give my opinion etc. We get along great. And what about the posts below of the three women in England that find this enjoyable and kick each others' shoes off ? Is all that prurient? It is evident the women that posted the messages know this "interest" exists. It is obvious, to the women that call me to go shoe shopping, that I enjoy it. So are they engaging in prurient activity? : Now, I never have and never will support stealing womens' shoes. While I can understand the motive behind the action it isn't proper and HAS NEVER been encouraged here. Scanning through past messages you will find that I have STRONGLY discouraged people from bugging the ladies. Some of those people emailed me an told me that I thought so because I wanted to sell more tapes. I sent them to hell and that was that but I am damned if I do and damned if I don't. I mention this because I firmly believe it, not because I sense the need to defend myself or this site. We will see many things we don't like : or fully understand. It is up to us to make a judgement on how to act. : Boys take shoes from girls and play "keep away" all the time... well they did at least when I was in school. What THE HELL they are doing in those "institutions" today I will never know. In any case, is that "prurient" behavior? The men that have the thought of taking or moving her shoes are doing so with the SOLE purpose of making her feel vulnerable. They are not thinking this in order to HARM her or to hurt her financially by taking her possessions. Again, I said I understood why they would think that, I didn't say it is right to steal a womans shoes. And as a final point, I think I am speaking for MOST that visit this site but definitely not ALL. There may be some malicious people that just wanna steal and resell the shoes etc etc.... Who knows what's out there? : : As for embarassment of women, geniuses (not you original poster) out there must realize a few basic things. First of all it is not embarrassment. It is vulnerability. Embarrassment may result from the vulnerability. Evolution cannot be changed within 20-30-40 or even 50 years. It takes time. It is a man's instinct to be protective of women. In the past, physical strength was far more important for survival and men always sought to protect women when we lived in "the cave" Heels are restrictive as are tight skirts but again there is a reason for the appearance of those styles. They convey a message and play to males' natural instinct to help and protect a woman. : Women have always done things to attract men. Hair styles, diets, more recently breast enlargement and of course they use makeup. Why do women wear lipstick? 70% of women I have asked have no clue but they wear it anyway. Lipstick is worn because it makes womens' lips appear fuller, thicker and ,until recently (so many colors out there now), RED. : These are all qualities that occur when a women is having sex. In other words, lipstick attempts to subconsciously tell males that the woman is fertile, sexually active, sensual etc etc.. Thats is what it is there for. So is that prurient? Does that belittle women? I sure as heck find well-dressed, well-groomed women (yes WITH makeup) more attractive. : Should we address the UNNECESSARY loud noise that heels make? Heels could be made to be as quiet as sneakers. Are they? NO. Why? Well, because just like lipstick they play a part in "advertising" a woman's presence. Is that prurient? Should we seek to curtail the designers' freedoms? : As for shoe play, the woman KNOWS FULL WELL that her chances of losing her shoe are increased 20x if she removes her feet from them. She may dangle under a table and hit another person's foot. Should that person be called a CAVE MAN if he finds that exciting? On the other hand is she engaging in PRURIENT behavior by doing it? She may know about the attraction some men have and may be testing him out to see if they are compatible. Are women breaking the law by doing this in FRONT OF their children all the time? Should all women that do this be therefore arrested? Should the shopping channels that occassionally show this be closed down? Are they prurient too? After all, I think I got this fetish because my neighbors daughters. They are about 15 years older than I so they were well over 18 when they asked me if I liked watching their swaying legs and dangling clogs. I couldn't explain it but I liked it and they kept on doing it year after year till I was embarrassed to even look when my age progressed. Was that prurient? : Has anyone seen video of how women lined up when nylons first became available? It was a STAMPEDE not a line!! Was that prurient? : Humans are very stupid creatures. We have a reason on this planet. We are here as men and women to attract each other and procreate. There is NOTHING on this planet that can change that. We are here to work as a unit accepting each other's weaknesses and strengths. That is why men and women have been created different. We compliment each other. When men and women hug they both get a sense of warmth, security and happiness. Why is so much possible from a simple hug? We are complimenting each other and working together. When I see a woman dangle I am attracted to her knowing that : this is something women do and NOT men. I am attracted to her shapely thigh and arched foot. I am attracted to her nail polish and her hose. I am attracted to the complimented sensual curves of her shoe etc : Again, all things that MEN don't have. So just as a woman might be turned on when a man uses his strength to do something for a woman, the man feels useful for being able to accomodate her. That is why we once had ladies and gentlemen. That is also why, with the elimination of traditions and/or attempt to make changes so quickly, we no longer do. This is why divorce rates are so high and this is why we cannot get along anymore. We are confused. We have our instincts tell us one thing and our lives demanding another. : So in a sense we are all cave men and women even in 2001. Unfortunately we have the "few cultural elite" trying to tell us how to lead our lives, what to like and what not to like. They think they can change humanity with a TV show and a few goofy magazines spewing garbage all day. Well they have succeeded to a degree. But they will show us anything that makes money. So if people are watching and : forming their lives around this stuff maybe it is people that have failed and not TV that has succeeded. I grew up with Atari and then all the other more violent games that followed. I have never hurt a fly and nor do I intend to. Violence sucks. Do I play those games? Damn straight I do and I wanna pound my electronic opponent's skull to the ground. I don't harm people though. : So, to the women that do shoe play, hats off to you ladies YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL. To the men, let the ladies be, don't bug 'em and hopefully everyone will see how much better things are when men can be men and women can be women. It is this that I try to capture in my work. : Specifically to the original poster of this message "Justme", nobody should harm you for being yourself. I think that many will welcome you and encourage your thoughts. I really liked : and understood the sensitivity when you said "will place a note in a woman’s shoe saying how much they appreciate that woman." I carried a note like that in my wallet for about a year but never used it unfortunately. In some cases nowadays though, a man might be sued for that. : This is what we have stooped to as a race. We can't even openly and genuinely express oursleves. And again it all comes back to my first paragraph concerning who is involved. : One lady may find the move sweet and the other........... : What you have witnessed on the board is only a tiny perecentage of the total number of people that visit and those people may mean well. After all, many of them are speaking about scenes in movies. Movies that virtually anyone can see. I remember seeing a Popeye cartoon, where Olive was on the phone dangling like crazy. I hope my message may have given some insight as to why some find that attractive while making clear that shoe theft is an ENTIRELY different topic. You should also see some of the garbage I get rid of every day. You should know the problem I have trying to promote my site : because I want little to do with PORN sites. It is all part of the game I guess.......that's the way the dangling heels sways...... :-) : Relax, try a dangle or two and if you lose one so what? You made the man watching happy, you can flex and relax your foot and that's it... an innocent flirtacious moment. : JustMe (and partner...it appears you may have one) welcome to a web site whose owner and hundreds of thousands of visitors are true FANS of women and something long lost: Femininity. : So, if you read all the way down here thanks. It means the commercials that have 9 zillion different scenes per second haven't shortened your attention span yet.

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